{"id":696,"date":"2016-05-17T15:01:56","date_gmt":"2016-05-17T13:01:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/?p=696"},"modified":"2016-06-01T17:55:54","modified_gmt":"2016-06-01T15:55:54","slug":"cesky-rfc-protokol-pro-navazaniukonceni-bezneho-hovoru","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/cesky-rfc-protokol-pro-navazaniukonceni-bezneho-hovoru\/","title":{"rendered":"RFC: Protokol pro nav\u00e1z\u00e1n\u00ed\/ukon\u010den\u00ed b\u011b\u017en\u00e9ho hovoru"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><strong>Abstrakt:<\/strong>\u00a0Mnoz\u00ed ob\u010das r\u00e1di mluv\u00ed s ostatn\u00edmi lidmi p\u0159es internetov\u00e9 komunik\u00e1tory o sv\u00fdch \u017eivotech, zpr\u00e1v\u00e1ch ze sv\u011bta, spole\u010dn\u00fdch z\u00e1jmech a dal\u0161\u00edch t\u00e9matech, ani\u017e by jim cht\u011bli sd\u011blit n\u011bjakou podstatnou informaci nebo je o n\u011bco po\u017e\u00e1dat (tomuto budeme \u0159\u00edkat &#8222;b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 hovory&#8220;). Ov\u0161em m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt t\u011b\u017ek\u00e9 zjistit, jak moc se druh\u00e9mu \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edkovi dialogu chce pov\u00eddat nebo kdy by cht\u011bl hovor ukon\u010dit, proto\u017ee naraz\u00edme na probl\u00e9my se zdvo\u0159ilost\u00ed. Proto navrhujeme nov\u00fd protokol pro b\u011b\u017en\u00e9 hovory, kter\u00fd by mohl \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edk\u016fm u\u0161et\u0159it \u010das a v\u00e9st hovory pr\u00e1v\u011b tak dlouho, jak by oba optim\u00e1ln\u011b cht\u011bli.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Tento protokol se t\u00fdk\u00e1 hovor\u016f p\u0159es internet.<\/p>\n<p>Pova\u017eujeme, \u017ee ka\u017ed\u00fd \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edk hovoru je v ka\u017ed\u00e9m okam\u017eiku hovoru (i na za\u010d\u00e1tku) vzhledem k druh\u00e9mu v jednom z n\u00e1sleduj\u00edc\u00edch stav\u016f:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>L1: Nutn\u011b pot\u0159ebuju s tebou mluvit, i kdyby to pro tebe bylo nep\u0159\u00edjemn\u00e9, proto\u017ee hovor s tebou mi pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b ud\u011bl\u00e1 radost, a to te\u010f velmi pot\u0159ebuji.<\/li>\n<li>L2: Rad\u0161i bych te\u010f mluvil s tebou ne\u017e d\u011blal cokoliv jin\u00e9ho, co bych mohl d\u011blat v tuto chv\u00edli (tj. nap\u0159\u00edklad pracovat na \u00fakolech, hr\u00e1t hry&#8230;).<\/li>\n<li>L3: Nevadilo by mi si popov\u00eddat, ale stejn\u011b tak r\u00e1d bych d\u011blal jin\u00e9 v\u011bci (nap\u0159. pracoval na \u00fakolech, v\u011bnoval se n\u011bkomu jin\u00e9mu&#8230;)<\/li>\n<li>L4: Rad\u0161i bych te\u010f d\u011blal n\u011bco jin\u00e9ho ne\u017e mluvil s tebou, ale pokud si chce\u0161 popov\u00eddat, tak popov\u00edd\u00e1m r\u00e1d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Protokol pak funguje na dvou m\u00edstech: p\u0159i zah\u00e1jen\u00ed a p\u0159i p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161len\u00ed o ukon\u010den\u00ed.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pokud n\u011bkdo iniciuje rozhovor, tak nab\u00eddne \u00farove\u0148, na jak\u00e9 se nach\u00e1z\u00ed a za\u010dne &#8222;vyjedn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed&#8220;, na jeho\u017e z\u00e1klad\u011b rozhovor bu\u010f prob\u011bhne nebo ne (ku spokojenosti obou \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edku).<\/li>\n<li>Pokud u\u017e rozhovor n\u011bjakou dobu prob\u00edh\u00e1, a jeden \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edk si v\u0161imne, \u017ee u\u017e ho bav\u00ed m\u00e9n\u011b, ohl\u00e1s\u00ed zm\u011bnu (pokles) sv\u00e9 \u00farovn\u011b, a t\u00edm op\u011bt za\u010dne &#8222;vyjedn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed,&#8220; kter\u00e9 m\u016f\u017ee rozhovor ukon\u010dit.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Vyjedn\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pokud n\u011bkdo\u00a0ohl\u00e1s\u00ed \u00farove\u0148\u00a0<strong>L1<\/strong>, je\u00a0nezdvo\u0159il\u00e9, pokud druh\u00fd ohlas\u00ed svoji vlastn\u00ed \u00farove\u0148 (pokud nen\u00ed tak\u00e9 L1); je stejn\u011b tak nezdvo\u0159il\u00e9, pokud druh\u00fd rozhovor odm\u00edtne, bez ohledu na to, na jak\u00e9 \u00farovni se nach\u00e1z\u00ed nebo co se kolem n\u011bj d\u011bje ve skute\u010dn\u00e9m sv\u011bt\u011b. Rozhovor mus\u00ed za\u010d\u00edt\/pokra\u010dovat.<\/li>\n<li>Pokud prvn\u00ed\u00a0ohlas\u00ed \u00farove\u0148\u00a0<strong>L2<\/strong>, tak:\n<ul>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L2<\/strong>, rozhovor za\u010dne\/pokra\u010duje.<\/li>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L3<\/strong>, rozhovor za\u010dne\/pokra\u010duje.<\/li>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L4<\/strong>, rozhovor za\u010dne\/pokra\u010duje, ale prvn\u00ed se ho bude sna\u017eit udr\u017eet relativn\u011b kr\u00e1tk\u00fd. Druh\u00fd (L4) m\u016f\u017ee v\u00fdslovn\u011b \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee je ochoten rozhovor v\u00e9st dlouh\u00fd i p\u0159esto; to je v\u00fdraz \u0161t\u011bdrosti; je pak ale nezdvo\u0159il\u00e9, pokud to bude vn\u00edmat vnit\u0159n\u011b jako svoji ob\u011b\u0165, nebo dokonce to tak \u0159ekne prvn\u00edmu.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Pokud prvn\u00ed ohl\u00e1s\u00ed \u00farove\u0148\u00a0<strong>L3,\u00a0<\/strong>tak:\n<ul>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L2<\/strong>, rozhovor za\u010dne\/pokra\u010duje.<\/li>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L3<\/strong>,\u00a0protokol ne\u0159\u00edk\u00e1, co se m\u00e1 d\u00edt d\u00e1l. Podle situace se \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edci rozhodnout, jestli spolu cht\u011bj\u00ed d\u00e1le mluvit nebo ne.<\/li>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L4<\/strong>, rozhovor kon\u010d\u00ed.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Pokud prvn\u00ed ohl\u00e1s\u00ed \u00farove\u0148\u00a0<strong>L4<\/strong> (to se m\u016f\u017ee st\u00e1t pouze v pr\u016fb\u011bhu rozhovoru, jinak by ani nenavazoval kontakt), tak:\n<ul>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L2,\u00a0<\/strong>rozhovor za\u010dne\/pokra\u010duje, ale prvn\u00ed se ho bude sna\u017eit udr\u017eet relativn\u011b kr\u00e1tk\u00fd (viz L2\/L4).<\/li>\n<li>Pokud druh\u00fd je na\u00a0<strong>L3\u00a0<\/strong>nebo\u00a0<strong>L4<\/strong>, rozhovor kon\u010d\u00ed.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>P\u0159\u00edklad:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A: &#8222;Ahoj. Jak se m\u00e1\u0161? (L2)&#8220;<br \/>\nB: &#8222;Ahoj! Dlouho jsme se nevid\u011bli. Taky L2. Jak ti jdou zkou\u0161ky?&#8220;<br \/>\n&#8230; rozhovor &#8230;<br \/>\nA: &#8222;Hm, r\u00e1d jsem popov\u00eddal, ale mo\u017en\u00e1 bych m\u011bl je\u0161t\u011b dneska ud\u011blat \u00fakol na Algebru (L4).&#8220;<br \/>\nB: &#8222;Po\u010dkej, ne\u0159ekl bys mi je\u0161t\u011b n\u011bco o sv\u00e9 magistersk\u00e9 pr\u00e1ci? Jak jsi na tom?&#8220;\u00a0<em>(implicitn\u00ed L2)<br \/>\n<\/em>A: &#8222;Jist\u011b, r\u00e1d. Nepot\u0159ebuji ud\u011blat ten \u00fakol dneska&#8230;&#8220;\u00a0<em>(B nesm\u00ed ukon\u010dit, ale m\u016f\u017ee popsat v\u011bc jen kr\u00e1tce)<\/em><br \/>\n&#8230;rozhovor o pr\u00e1ci&#8230;<br \/>\nB: &#8222;Ok, m\u011bj se.&#8220;<br \/>\nA: &#8222;Ahoj.&#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pou\u017eit\u00ed protokolu \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edkovi B dalo najevo, \u017ee u\u017e by m\u011bl rozhovor ch\u00fdlit pomalu ke konci.<\/p>\n<p><strong><br \/>\nP\u0159\u00edklad 2:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A: &#8222;Ahoj, B. Pamatuje\u0161 si, jak se dokazuje v\u011bta o v\u00fdm\u011bn\u011b?&#8220;\u00a0<em>(v\u011bcn\u00fd dotaz, je\u0161t\u011b nejde o b\u011b\u017en\u00fd hovor)<br \/>\n<\/em>B: &#8222;Hm, moc ne. Ale po\u010dkej&#8230; tady [link] jsou Hlad\u00edkova skripta, je to v nich celkem dob\u0159e popsan\u00e9.&#8220;<br \/>\nA: &#8222;Ok, d\u00edky. Jak se m\u00e1\u0161, mimochodem? (L3)&#8220;\u00a0<em>(nab\u00eddka k zah\u00e1jen\u00ed rozhovoru)<\/em><br \/>\nB: &#8222;Celkem dob\u0159e, d\u00edv\u00e1m se te\u010f na televizi (L3\/L4). Zat\u00edm se m\u011bj!&#8220;<br \/>\nA: &#8222;Jj, kthx bye.&#8220;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pou\u017eit\u00ed protokolu zabr\u00e1nilo nez\u00e1vazn\u00e9mu hovoru, o kter\u00fd ani jeden s \u00fa\u010dastn\u00edk\u016f nem\u011bl z\u00e1jem.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pozn\u00e1mky:\u00a0<\/strong>V\u011bt\u0161inu \u010dasu je ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s oproti v\u0161em ostatn\u00edm lidem na sv\u011bt\u011b ve stavu L4 nebo potenci\u00e1ln\u011b v n\u011b\u010dem jako L5 &#8211; proto koneckonc\u016f d\u011bl\u00e1me to, co pr\u00e1v\u011b d\u011bl\u00e1me, m\u00edsto toho, abychom po\u0159\u00e1d byli v n\u011bjak\u00e9m b\u011b\u017en\u00e9m hovoru.<\/p>\n<p>Mnoz\u00ed lid\u00e9 budou schopni ve v\u011bt\u0161in\u011b situac\u00ed odvodit \u00farove\u0148 spolu\u00fa\u010dastn\u00edka bez pou\u017eit\u00ed explicitn\u00edch \u010d\u00edsel \u00farovn\u00ed (nap\u0159\u00edklad jako implicitn\u00ed L2 v p\u0159\u00edkladu 1), p\u0159esto to nen\u00ed tak snadn\u00e9, jak se m\u016f\u017ee zd\u00e1t a mistr\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed by to dok\u00e1zali v ka\u017ed\u00e9 situaci, je jen velmi m\u00e1lo. Pr\u016fzkumy, kter\u00e9 o tomto sv\u011bd\u010d\u00ed, lze nal\u00e9zt v literatu\u0159e.<\/p>\n<p>I v t\u011bchto situac\u00edch ale m\u016f\u017ee syst\u00e9m \u00farovn\u00ed fungovat jako dobr\u00fd teoretick\u00fd z\u00e1klad.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Z\u00e1v\u011br:\u00a0<\/strong>Tento protokol jist\u011b nebude vyhovovat v\u0161em lidem nebo ka\u017ed\u00e9 dvojici lid\u00ed. P\u0159esto si mysl\u00edme, \u017ee lidem, kter\u00fdm p\u0159ijde p\u0159irozen\u00fd a u\u017eite\u010dn\u00fd, m\u016f\u017ee u\u0161et\u0159it \u010das, kter\u00fd by rad\u0161i v\u011bnovali jinde a tak\u00e9 pos\u00edlit p\u0159\u00e1telsk\u00e9 vztahy, proto\u017ee dojde k men\u0161\u00edmu mno\u017estv\u00ed nedorozum\u011bn\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Jist\u011b jsou te\u010f v protokolu n\u011bjak\u00e9 chyby a nen\u00ed u\u017eite\u010dn\u00fd v mnoha p\u0159\u00edpadech. P\u0159esto by mohl slou\u017eit jako dobr\u00e1 kostra pro dal\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdzkum v t\u00e9to oblasti. Tento \u010dl\u00e1nek je \u017e\u00e1dost o koment\u00e1\u0159e &#8211; pros\u00edm vyu\u017eijte funkce komentov\u00e1n\u00ed na t\u00e9to str\u00e1nce.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Abstract: Many people sometimes wish to talk to other via instant messaging applications about their lifes, news, common interests and other topics without having important information to tell and without wanting to make a request (we will call these conversations &#8222;chats&#8220;). However, it may be difficult\u00a0to find out whether your interlocutor wants to chat or [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-696","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blog"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/696","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=696"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/696\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":701,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/696\/revisions\/701"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=696"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=696"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hudecekpetr.cz\/cs\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=696"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}